Tuesday, August 25, 2009

Witness says after the slaughter, Kajubi had the boy's blood emptied in a basin

The high profile trial of wealthy businessman Kato Kajubi who is accused of sacrificing 12-year old Joseph Kasirye to get even richer started in the High Court in Masaka last week. The Observer followed the proceedings and brings them to you in detail.


Joseph Kasirye, 12, was murdered on October 28, 2008. He was the grandchild of Matia Mulondo, 68, of Kayugi Village, Mukungwe Sub-county, Masaka District. The deceased lived with Mulondo. In the same village resides Umaru/Bosco Kateregga, a witchdoctor.

He claims his name is Umaru but some people at Kayugi also know him as Bosco. He’s married to Mariam Nabukeera. Kateregga was a friend to the deceased and a regular visitor at Mulondo’s home.

Joseph Kasirye went missing from his home on October 27, 2008 prompting a family search. He was never found. Kateregga was seen talking to the boy the very day he disappeared. Police arrested Kateregga and Nabukeera, his wife. The two helped Police find the dead body of Joseph Kasirye in a swamp.

The boy’s head and private parts were missing. Kateregga accused Kampala businessman Godfrey Kato Kajubi and a one Stephen, still at large, of murdering Joseph Kasirye. Police arrested Kajubi and the three have been in prison since.
Their trial began on August 6, 2009 at the High Court in Masaka before Justice Moses Mukiibi.

Prosecution is led by Vincent Wagona, while Kajubi is represented by McDusman Kabega. For now the state has dropped charges against Kateregga and his wife Nabukeera. The two are, however, still held and are helping Police as witnesses in the case against Kato Kajubi. It is case number: HCT 06/CR/SC016/2008.

So far, Matia Mulondo, the grandfather of the deceased and Paul Kasirye, an uncle to the deceased, have testified in court. Kasirye was reportedly milking a cow at Mulondo’s home when Kateregga spoke to the deceased the day he disappeared.

Kateregga has told court that he came to know Kajubi in April 2008. Kajubi reportedly wanted Kateregga to restore the gods stolen from his (Kajubi) shrine by one Moses Makumbi, a witchdoctor residing in Njumanga Village, not far from Kayugi.

Katergga told court that he actually did not have the power to restore the gods – but because he wanted money from a wealthy Kajubi he agreed to do something and Kajubi immediately paid him Shs 250,000. Kateregga said he got a pot and stuffed it with some items and buried it in a bush.

He called Kajubi a few days later to come and unearth his stolen gods. Kajubi reportedly dug up the pot and he was convinced he had recovered his stolen gods. From then onwards, the two got on very well. Kateregga claims Kajubi later took him to his house at Gayaza near Masaka and showed him around his poultry farm.

Kateregga also claims that Kajubi asked him to find a young boy of about 12 years who could collect eggs in his poultry farm. (This is how far the case had gone by August 7, 2009 when it was adjourned until August 17 2009.)

August 17 2009

Kateregga told court that after Kajubi repeatedly asked him to get him a boy to work on his farm – he (Kateregga) decided to ask the deceased (Joseph Kasirye) if he would like to work on a rich man’s poultry farm, collecting eggs.

According to Kateregga, the boy complied. Kateregga admitted he spoke to the boy without involving his guardians because Kasirye was always mistreated at home and suffered from jiggers.

He said he asked him to spend the night of October 27 at his house because the rich man (Kajubi) would come get him very early in the morning. He claims he made a bed for him in the living room and that he and his wife slept in their bedroom.

He also said he received a phone call from Kajubi at sunset, inquiring if he had gotten the boy and that Kateregga confirmed the boy would be spending the night at his house. He told court that at midnight, he got a phone call from Kajubi who announced he had changed his plan and was on his way to collect the boy that night.

Kateregga claims Kajubi went to his home at midnight carrying three bottles of beer, two bottles of soda and two samosas, and that he was driving a saloon car whose make he was not quite sure of.

Kateregga revealed that Kajubi gave a bottle of soda to the boy, Joseph Kasirye, and he opened the other bottle of soda for himself to drink. Kateregga also said Kajubi gave one bottle of beer to Mariam Nabukeera and another bottle of beer to Kateregga himself.

Kajubi further gave a samosa to Kasirye and another samosa to Mariam Nabukeera. After a few minutes, Kasirye became unconscious and dropped to the ground. Next, Mariam became drowsy and was about to drop when Kajubi reportedly called out to one Stephen to come. Apparently Stephen had remained in the car.

When Stephen entered the house, Kajubi is said to have put Kateregga at gunpoint and ordered him not to move. Stephen allegedly entered the house carrying a metal suitcase from which he got a sharp knife, a sheet made of polythene, a small gunny bag, and a three-litre-jerry can.

Kateregga said Kajubi told Stephen to take Mariam out of the house through the rear door. Kateregga claims that Stephen gagged Mariam with a white piece of cloth as he dragged her out. When Stephen returned to the house, Kateregga says Kajubi ordered him to go back to the car and get a plastic basin and a small plastic blue drum. Kateregga then said that Kajubi ordered Stephen to cut off Kasirye’s head.

Kateregga went on to say that Kajubi ordered him to drain the blood in the basin and as it got less he told both Kateregga and Stephen to tilt Kasirye’s body and ensure that all the blood went into the basin. Kateregga further said that Kajubi told Stephen to put the head into the blue plastic drum before ordering him to cut off the boy’s private parts which he did and they were put into the drum which was closed immediately.

Kateregga said Kajubi ordered the two to wrap the body in a polythene sheet and to put it into the small gunny bag, and take it to the boot of the waiting car. They put the plastic container in the back seat of the car. Then Kajubi ordered Kateregga to sit in front.

Kateregga reportedly sat in the front seat between Stephen and Kajubi who drove the car. The three drove to a swamp about a mile away. Kajubi stopped and ordered Stephen and Kateregga to take the body out of the boot and into the bush. Kajubi helped light the bush path with his torch.

Kateregga told court that afterwards, Kajubi drove towards Kateregga’s home and dropped him off not far from his house. He reportedly walked back and said the whole episode took about three and half hours.

Below is a verbatim report of what transpired in court on August 18 2009.

Justice Mukiibi: Umaru Kateregga, you are reminded that you made a solemn oath that you will tell this court the truth and nothing but the truth.
(Turning to Kajubi) If you want to stand near your lawyer, please feel free. You are free to even whisper to him as often as you wish.
Kabega: Mr. Kateregga, you made an oath holding the Holy Koran; are you a Muslim?
Kateregga: I am a Muslim.
Kabega: Do you believe in the Holy Koran?
Kateregga: I do.
Kabega: Is it not true that you are a man who believes in spirits? And that it is what you practise?
Kateregga: Repeat!

Justice Mukiibi: You have heard.
Kateregga: I have not heard.
Justice Mukiibi: Is it not true that you believe in spirits?
Kateregga: I also believe in the Koran. But the spirits are our cultural way of worship. I am a Muganda.
Justice Mukiibi: Do you believe in spirits?
Kateregga: I believe in spirits but I also believe in the faith of our fore fathers.
Justice Mukiibi: Our concern here is to get to the truth. And we provide these books in the hope that you fear God and that the fear of God will make you speak the truth. But if you don’t fear Allah, you misuse the book. What do you fear more; Allah or the spirits?

Kateregga: I fear Allah.
Kabega: Does the Koran allow you to worship spirits?
Kateregga: The Korann does not talk about worshiping spirits but myself as a Muganda I must practise what was here before as long as I don’t offend anybody.
Kabega: Do you now accept that you went against the teaching of the Koran when you chose to worship the spirits?
Kateregga: That is not within the laws of Islam.
Kabega: You say that what you have been doing is not in accordance with the Koran? True or not true?
Kateregga: As long as what I do does not hurt anyone I am within the teaching of the Koran.
Kabega: Now, why don’t you tell his lordship that you would not take the oath using the Koran and instead you swear by the spirits?

Justice Mukiibi: Do you believe that God is near your heart?
Kateregga: Which heart?
Justice Mukiibi: Where do you keep Allah?
Kateregga: In my heart.
Justice Mukiibi: Where do you keep the spirits?
Kateregga: There is a special place for them.
Kabega: But you still have not answered my question. You worship spirits but why didn’t you tell his lordship that you will swear by the spirits?
Kateregga: I have not told court that I believe in spirits.

Justice Mukiibi: Do you feel limited by the choice of books? You are free to say you don’t believe in either of the books and you can raise your hand and swear.
Kateregga: That chance was never made known to me.
Kabega: If the option had been given, would you have sworn by the spirits?
Kateregga: No sir.
Kabega: I understand you are also known as Bosco. Would you have sworn by the Bible?
Kateregga: You say they call me, but I am telling you I am Umaru Kateregga. I wouldn’t swear by the Bible; I am Kateregga Umaru.
Kabega: Before you went to Kayugi, where were you staying?

Kateregga: Birinzi.
Kabega: Where is Birinzi?
Kateregga: Gogwe Village LC, Namwanzi, near Lake Birinzi.
Justice Mukiibi: Which Gombolora?
Kateregga: Kalungu.
Kabega: Is that where Kalungu is?
Kateregga: Anyway, it is almost the same place.
Kabega: I want to put it to you that you don’t even know where you come from.
Justice Mukiibi: That is not your origin.
Kateregga: It is not my birth place, but…
Kabega: Your origin is Tanzania?
Kateregga: No!

Kabega: Where were you born?
Kateregga: Marongo.
Kabega: Is that the village?
Justice Mukiibi: Sub-county?
Kateregga: I don’t know.
Justice Mukiibi: District?
Kateregga: Masaka.
Kabega: My instructions are that you migrated from Tanzania. You came here long ago.
Kateregga: Whoever told you so lied to you.
Kabega: Are you married?
Kateregga: Yes.
Kabega: To whom?

Kateregga: Mariam Nabukeera.
Kabega: She is a Tanzanian, not so?
Kateregga. She is a Tanzanian.
Kabega: When did she come to Uganda?
Kateregga: She was born here.
Kabega: Where?
Kateregga: At Kinoni, near Lusalira.
Kabega: Now why did you leave Gogwe to go to Kayugi?
Kateregga: I was living with my parents and since I was big enough to look after myself, I went to live on my own.
Kabega: Did you not say that you were born at Marongo?

Kateregga: I was born at Marongo but at Gogwe I had my uncle and other relatives.
Kabega: When you went to Kayugi; you built your own house or you hired?
Kateregga: Not hiring! I found the house there.
Kabega: Was the house yours?
Kateregga: Not mine but it belonged to my relative.
Kabega: Who was the owner of the house?
Kateregga: It belonged to Lazia Nakiwala.
Justice Mukiibi: Were you related?
Kateregga: Yes.
Kabega: How?

Kateregga: My sister-in-law.
Justice Mukiibi: How? Married to your brother or you married her sister?
Kateregga: My sister married her brother.
Kabega: When you took over that house; are you the one who built the shrines?
Kateregga: I am the one.
Kabega: Why did you build them?
Kateregga: I was going to do my work there.
Kabega: Is that where you practise the work of worshipping the spirits?
Kateregga: I don’t worship but I do my work there.
Kabega: Answer the question.
Kateregga: I treat people there.
Kabega: Is it true that you have been a successful practitioner?

Kateregga: Well, I have been treating people, they could be cured.
Kabega: Did you have many patients?
Kateregga: They were quite many.
Kabega: Some would come on foot?
Kabega: On motorcycles?
Kateregga: Yes.
Kabega: In cars?
Kateregga: Only one came in a car.
Kabega: Only one?
Kateregga: Only one and he would travel with other people who merely accompanied him.
Kabega: Other than that patient, did you get another one?

Kateregga: Only one, but she was a relative and she came about a year and half ago.
Justice Mukiibi: Was she a patient or a visitor?
Kateregga: She was sick when she came.
Kabega: How many neighbours did you have?
Kateregga: Only two. Ssekajja and Mulondo.
Kabega: If one is at Sekajja’s place, can one see what is going on in your compound?
Kateregga: Yes.
Kabega: And if one is at Matia Mulondo’s compound, can one see what is going on in your compound?
Kateregga: No, it is not possible.
Kabega: Why not?

Kateregga: There is a piece of land with bushes. Moreover, there are many trees in his compound which make it impossible for anybody to see what is going on at my place.
Kabega: Now, if someone came before this court and said it is possible to see whatever goes on in your home from Mulondo’s house, would that person be lying?
Kateregga: He will be lying.
Kabega: Do you know Kasirye Paul?
Kateregga: Yes.
Kabega: How?

Kateregga: He is my neighbour’s son.
Kabega: He told this court that from his father’s compound he could see what was taking place at your home. Was he lying?
Kateregga: It is all lies sir.
Kabega: This lady you treated about one and half years ago; how many times did she come to your home?
Kateregga: Only once.
Kabega: Who brought her?
Kateregga: She came with a driver. But I don’t remember much.

Kabega: Did she come during day time?
Kateregga: Yes sir.
Kabega: And the other patient who came several times in a car, did he come during day time?
Kateregga: He came during day only once, most times he came at night.
Kabega: If someone came into this court and said not a single car has ever come to your compound, would that person be lying?
Kateregga: He would be lying.
Kabega: Do you know Kasirye Paul and Matia Mulondo?
Kateregga: I know them.

Kabega: They told this court that by that time, not a single vehicle came to your compound. Were they lying?
Kateregga: Yes, they were lying.
Kabega: I want to suggest to you that you are the one lying not them.
Kateregga: Sir, it is them lying and not me.
Kabega: This old man Matia – whose grandson is missing, why should he say that he had never seen a car in your compound except on October 27, 2008?
Kateregga: I don’t know why he said so.
Kabega: You told this honourable court that when the accused (Kajubi) came to you, he told you that Moses Makumbi had stolen his gods?
Kateregga: True!

Kabega: That he wanted you to help him get back his gods –that he would pay you?
Kateregga: Yes, sir.
Kabega: You also said that since he had brought you money, you agreed to help him?
Kateregga: True.
Kabega: But you actually had no means of bringing his spirits/gods back?
Kateregga: True.
Kabega: Because he was going to give you money, you lied to him? Is that true?
Kateregga: True.
Kabega: You falsely presented to him that you would return his stolen spirits?
Kateregga: True.

Kabega: You lied to him because you wanted money?
Kateregga: True. He had brought the money and I wanted the money.
Kabega: Then you went to Masaka in perpetuation of your lies and you bought some items?
Kateregga: I bought them because he had told me how his spirits looked like.
Justice Mukiibi: Can you clarify what those things were?
Kateregga: That his things were in a pot.
Kabega: So when you went to Masaka, you bought a pot and smeared it with black anthill soil to make it look old?

Kateregga: True.
Kabega: Again you were lying to the accused?
Kateregga: That’s true.
Kabega: You went and buried that small pot near an anthill?
Kateregga: I beg to answer you by asking a question...
Kabega: Please answer the question. You have no right to ask me. You led him to where you had buried the small pot?
Kateregga: True sir.
Kabega: Again you were lying to him that you were returning to him his stolen spirits/gods?
Kateregga: True.

Kabega: I want you to confirm that you did all that because you wanted money from him!
Kateregga: True.
Kabega: You did not know anybody who deals in ghosts in Kooki?
Kateregga: No.
Kabega: That you said that despite you not knowing anyone, you still said you knew someone?
Kateregga: Yes.
Kabega: That you knew one Kaseegu who was in Kooki?
Kateregga: Yes.

Kabega: Again you lied to him because you wanted his money?
Kateregga: True.
Kabega: Umaru Kateregga, as long as there is money you tell lies?
Kateregga: True, because I wanted money.
Justice Mukiibi: So if there is a chance of getting money, you tell lies?
Kateregga: Yes as long as ——-
Justice Moses Mukibi: Did you at any one time contemplate losing Kajubi?
Kateregga: I did not want to lose him because of what he had done for Moses Makumbi, I knew I would be rich.

Kabega: What did Kajubi do for Makumbi?
Kateregga: He built him a house, bought him a car and bought him a farm. He assured me that if I helped him regain his stolen spirits he would do for me a lot more than he did for Makumbi.
Justice Mukiibi: If you want to drink some water by the way, court can get you some water.
Kateregga: No.
Kabega: Did you tell him you knew Kagame [another witchdoctor]?
Kateregga: I did, because I knew his phone number.

Justice Mukiibi: Was Kajubi looking for a native healer in Kooki? And was Kagame the son of that native healer?
Kateregga: No.
Justice Mukiibi: So Kagame had no connection to the dead native healer?
Kateregga: No connection whatsoever!
Kabega: So when you told Kajubi that Kagame was the son of that native healer, you were lying to him?
Kateregga: I was lying to him.
Kabega: Again you lied to him because you wanted money?
Kateregga: True.

Kabega: But in this case does the Koran allow you to tell lies to get money?
Kateregga: Yes, because I was not stealing. He was giving me the money.
Justice Mukiibi: Have you read anywhere in the Koran that you can lie to get money?
Kateregga: I have never read the Koran because my parents died when I was young.
Justice Mukiibi: If someone opened that book to you; would you be able to read at least a line?
Kateregga: No I cannot read. I don’t know.
Kabega: Have you ever gone for any Juma prayers?
Kateregga: Yes.

Kabega: Do you know you should go for prayers several times a day?
Kateregga: I know.
Kabega: When you go for Juma prayers, haven’t you ever heard it taught in a sermon that you should never get Haram money?
Kateregga: Sometimes it is allowed.
Kabega: When does the Muslim teaching allow you to take money through lying?
Kateregga: There is no time when such preaching has ever happened.
Justice Mukiibi: Have you ever been anywhere and a preacher said when you find free money, you can lie and take it?

Kateregga: Yes I have, as long as the giver is willing.
Kabega: Now I want to take you to the events of October 27, 2008.
(Justice Mukiibi announces a lunch break and court is instructed to resume at 3.00pm)
Kabega: What time did you go to the home of the deceased?
Kateregga: 5.30pm.
Justice Mukiibi: Did you go to pick the boy?
Kateregga: To ask him if he was ready to go to work.

Kabega: When you went to the home of Mulondo, did you find the deceased?
Kateregga: Yes, I found him there.
Kabega: Apart from the deceased, did you find anybody else?
Kateregga: I found his uncle, Kasirye Paul.
Kabega: Nobody else?
Kateregga: The grandmother.
Kabega: Did you talk to the deceased in the presence of Kasirye and the grandmother?
Kateregga: I spoke to the deceased when they were some distance away.

Justice Mukiibi: Which Kasirye did you talk to?
Kateregga: Kasirye Joseph.
Kabega: How far away were they?
Kateregga: Like from here and that door (the door through which members of the public enter the court room).
Kabega: I guess Kasirye Paul did not hear what you talked about with the late?
Kateregga: True.
Kabega: Apart from asking the deceased to come to your home, you did not tell him anything else?

Kateregga: I told him to come to my home where the rich man who was going to take him would find him.
Kabega: Nothing else?
Kabega: At that time your wife was at your house?
Kateregga: True.
Kabega: Matia Mulondo was a very good friend of yours?
Kateregga: True.
Kabega: As a good friend of yours, did you tell him that you were taking the deceased from his home?

Kateregga: I did not tell him but I had a good reason why.
Kabega: You also did not tell Paul Kasirye?
Kateregga: I did not.

Kabega: Are you aware that by taking away the boy without telling his guardians, you were committing an offence?
Kateregga: Yes I knew.
Kabega: You procured him to your home without the knowledge of his guardians because you wanted to get money?
Kateregga: Not really.

Kabega: So when he came to your house you stayed with him and your wife?
Kateregga: Yes.
Kabega: He stayed with your wife until you came back?
Kateregga: True.
Kabega: You returned to your home at 7.30?
Kateregga: True.
Kabega: Then you stayed together until midnight?
Kabega: Paul Kasirye said that you went to the deceased’s home at 7.30pm, did he lie?
Kateregga: Yes, he lied.

Kabega: Why do you say he lied?
Kateregga: Because I went there at 5.30pm.
Kabega: Why should he lie?
Kateregga: I don’t know. I am not in his mind.
Kabega: You went back to your home late; at 7.30pm, not so?
Kateregga: True.
Kabega: When you came back. The deceased and your wife were in the house?
Kateregga: True.

Kabega: I want to believe that there was light in the house. What kind of light were you using?
Kateregga: Tadooba.
Kabega: It was burning?
Kateregga: It was burning.
Kabega: Between 7.30pm and 10.00pm, the doors were still open?

Kateregga: Closed but not bolted.
Kabega: Do I take it that if one stood outside, one could see what took place inside?
Kateregga: No, because the door was closed.
Kabega: Was the door ajar or halfway?
Kateregga: Closed but not bolted.
Kabega: You and your wife were at home and talking?
Kateregga: Yes.
Kabega: The deceased was also talking?
Kateregga: Yes.
Kabega: Was he lying down?
Kateregga: He was lying where we had made him a bed.

Kabega: I want to put it to you that you had given him the toxicant!
Kateregga: No! I had no beer and I keep no alcohol.
Justice Mukiibi: Intoxicant can be chloroform.
Kateregga: No, I don’t even know chloroform.
Kabega: You gave him herbs.
Kateregga: Not at all sir.
Kabega: If one came to your house that day, one would hear you talking, isn’t that true?
Kateregga: Yes, he would.

Kabega: If someone came to this court and said there was not a single sign of life in your house that evening, would he be lying?
Kateregga: He would completely be lying.
Kabega: Paul Kasirye told this court that he came to your home that particular evening, and there was nobody in the house. Was he lying?
Kateregga: He was lying.

Kabega: When you told the deceased to come to your house, did you ask him to bring anything at all?
Kateregga: No.
Kabega: Did he carry anything in fact?
Kateregga: No.
Kabega: If he had carried anything into your house, would you have seen it?
Kateregga: Yes.
Kabega: In your house, do you have drawers where you keep your valuables?
Kateregga: No.

Kabega: Evidence was brought to this court that a jerry can was found in your cupboard with some blood stains belonging to the deceased. Was that a lie?
Kateregga: Not true because I don’t have a cupboard or a wardrobe in my house.
Justice Mukiibi: Don’t you have drawers on your bed?
Kateregga: No.
Kabega: Now, did you sleep with the deceased in the same room?
Kateregga: No.

Kabega: I want to put it to you that you took him to another house and that’s why those who came looking for him did not find him at your house.
Kateregga: Not at all.
Kabega: You took him away.
Kateregga: No, I took him nowhere because I was at home with my wife.
Kabega: You took him to a different place and killed him and that is why there was no blood in your house.
Kateregga: I did not take him anywhere to kill him. He was in my house and it was Kajubi who killed him.

Kabega: And I want to put it to you that after you killed him, you called a taxi to take you away and those were the tyre marks in your compound.
Kateregga: No, I did not call a taxi.
Justice Mukiibi: You took this boy away without the knowledge or permission of his guardians?
Kateregga: I did so, but I had a reason.
Justice Mukiibi: And you told him to find you at your home?
Kateregga: Yes.

Justice Mukiibi: Were you sure people would not look for him?
Kateregga: No, I did not give that a thought.
Justice Mukiibi: Were you sure of the time the deceased would leave your home?
Kateregga: Not so sure.
Justice Mukiibi: What gave you the confidence that they would not look for him and you kept him in the living room?
Kateregga: My lord, I did not fear that.
Justice Mukiibi: You took away the boy for hours and you did not fear that the neighbours would find out?

Kateregga: I did not know that the neighbours would find out.
Justice Mukiibi: And you did not think that anybody would come looking for him?
Kateregga: No.
Justice Mukiibi: What could a neighbour feel if he came to your house and found his child lying in a bed in your house without you having told him about it before?
Kateregga: My lord, we were such great friends.
Justice Mukiibi: You are such a great liar and you think you can also lie to me? Paul Kasirye said there was no one in the house and you are saying you were all in the house?

Kateregga: We were all in the house my lord.
Kabega: Let’s leave the scene and go to the Police. You said at Masaka Police station you were tortured?
Kateregga: At Kako Police not so much, but at Masaka I was tortured very much.
Kabega: Most of the time at Masaka you were tortured; is that true?
Kateregga: True.

Kabega: And that your big toe was smashed with a stone?
Kateregga: The toes were hit.
Kabega: And nails came out?
Kateregga: The toes got injured.
Kabega: You were in great pain?
Kateregga: Yes sir.
Kabega: When you were taken to the magistrate, did you tell him you were tortured?
Kateregga: I told him.

Kabega: Did you show him the wounds?
Kateregga: I did not show him the wounds but I informed him.
Kabega: Is it not true that you were taken to the doctor to be examined?
Kateregga: I saw a doctor talking and asking me questions.
Kabega: Did the doctor not examine you?
Kateregga: No sir.
Kabega: I want to put it to you that you were taken to a doctor and that you were examined.
Kateregga: Not examined. He just talked.
Kabega: Did you tell him that you were normal?
Kateregga: No.

Kabega: You did not tell him that you had injuries, did you?
Kateregga: I told him.
Kabega: If a doctor came here and said you had no injuries, would he be lying?
Kateregga: He will be lying because I even have the scars.
Kabega: When the doctor came to see you, you had no shoes, did you?
Kateregga: I had no shoes.
Kabega: Would I be right to assume your feet were swollen after being hit?
Kateregga: They were swollen but not so much.
Kabega: You said they hit your toes badly and the nails came out later?
Kateregga: Yes sir.

Kabega: You were not given medicine in the hospital?
Kateregga: They would bring us tablets.
Kabega: Were you given medicine? Answer the question.
Kateregga: He gave me medicine.
Kabega: How could a doctor give you medicine before examining you? You are lying.
Justice Mukiibi: Did the doctor give out tablets like he was distributing groundnuts?
Kateregga: They would give us panadols and other drugs to help us sleep.
Kabega: How many times did the doctor give you the drugs?

Kateregga: Sir, I cannot remember because he came many times.
Justice Mukiibi: Help court, we cannot allow you to tell lies.
Kateregga: About twice a day my lord. But I cannot tell for how many days. I have forgotten.
Kabega: Did your wife also get tortured?
Kateregga: I don’t know. Whenever I spoke to her I did not ask her if she was ever tortured
Kabega: Did you say a one Sergeant Migadde tortured you?

Kateregga: I said that one of those who tortured me was Kuraisi who was together with Migadde.
Kabega: Was Sergeant Migadde one of those that tortured you?
Kateregga: I have not said he is the one who tortured me.
Justice Mukiibi: Is he here in this courtroom?
Kateregga: (Looking around) I don’t see him?
Justice Mukiibi: What about Kuraisi?
Kateregga: I also don’t see him.

Kabega: Were you ever taken to the CID Chief during the time you were here in Masaka?
Kateregga: Sometimes he would come to the place where I spent the nights and sometimes he would see me during parade.
Justice Mukiibi: Do you mean where you slept at the Police station or in the prison?
Kateregga: At the Police and in prison.
Justice Mukiibi: What are his names?
Kateregga: OC, CID, Rugumayo.
Kabega: Did he talk to you?

Kateregga: He would come and talk to me.
Kabega: Did you at any one time tell him that his officers tortured you?
Kateregga: I did not because I feared him since he was one of them.
Kabega: So you regard the whole lot of Police as torturers?
Kateregga: I take all of them to be torturers because whoever met me beat me.
Kabega: I am sure you now hate all the policemen at Masaka because of what you underwent?
Kateregga: It is true I hate them because they tortured me.
Kabega: Have you ever thought of sending them your spirits?

Kateregga: I have never thought of doing so because I don’t have the spirits.
Kabega: My lord, I cannot continue cross-examining this witness because I need some other vital documents which Mr. Caleb Alaka who handled this case before has not given me yet.

TO SEPT 15, 2009.

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